Legislature(2007 - 2008)BELTZ 211

02/29/2008 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY


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+= SB 234 CRIMINAL LAW/PROCEDURE: OMNIBUS BILL TELECONFERENCED
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          SB 234-CRIMINAL LAW/PROCEDURE: OMNIBUS BILL                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:34:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH announced the consideration of SB 234.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
RICK  SVOBODNY,  Deputy   Attorney  General,  Criminal  Division,                                                               
Department of  Law, told  the committee that  the theme  for this                                                               
bill is that,  "Small changes make big  differences." Although SB
234 doesn't make  any major changes with respect  to creating new                                                               
crimes,   redrafting  sentencing   provisions  or   dealing  with                                                               
criminal procedure, it  does make small changes in  each of those                                                               
areas. Hopefully  the small  changes will have  a big  affect for                                                               
crime   victims,  police   officers  investigating   crimes,  and                                                               
prosecutors  who are  prosecuting crimes,  he said.  The bill  is                                                               
divided into  three areas: new crimes,  criminal proceedings, and                                                               
sentencing.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:36:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SVOBODNY said  that  Sections 1  and  2 have  a  new way  of                                                               
looking  at  assault  in  the   fourth  degree,  which  is  an  A                                                               
misdemeanor  offense.  This  bill  would  change  certain  fourth                                                               
degree  assault  offenses,  if  committed  twice  before  in  the                                                               
preceding  10 years,  from an  A misdemeanor  to a  C felony.  It                                                               
would  only  be  fourth  degree assaults  where  there  has  been                                                               
physical contact  between the  offender and  the victim.  It does                                                               
not include  fear assaults, which  are those where the  victim is                                                               
in  fear   of  imminent  physical  injury.   "This  includes  the                                                               
situation where  a person has  beat their spouse once  [and] been                                                               
convicted, twice  [and] been convicted,  and then the  third time                                                               
it would change from an A misdemeanor to a C felony."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:37:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  any thought  had  been given  to                                                               
increasing the  penalties for multiple  first, second,  and third                                                               
degree assaults.  He also asked if  pleading to a crime  would be                                                               
considered a conviction.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY  said  that  DOL   has  always  believed  that  the                                                               
legislature's  intent is  that  a conviction  is  counted at  the                                                               
point of  sentencing, but that  should be clarified in  the bill.                                                               
With respect  to increasing  the penalty  for other  offenses, he                                                               
told members that the predicate crimes-the two prior offenses-                                                                  
could be murder  in the first or second  degree, manslaughter, or                                                               
assault in the  first or second degree. That's why  there's a 10-                                                               
year look back,  he said. If someone was  convicted of criminally                                                               
negligent  homicide and  received  a 5-year  sentence, they'd  be                                                               
half way  through that time period  before they got out  of jail.                                                               
So  DOL did  think about  broadening the  scope to  include other                                                               
crimes against  people like  stalking and  reckless endangerment,                                                               
but decided it  was better public policy to limit  it to offenses                                                               
where there  was actual  physical force impacted  on the  body of                                                               
another.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:40:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH asked if fear assaults can be a predicate prior.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY said yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH summarized  that an  assault in  the fourth  degree                                                               
fear  assault or  an assault  in  the third  degree fear  assault                                                               
could count  as priors  but it  has to  be a  pain assault  for a                                                               
misdemeanor to become a felony.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY said  that's  correct. He  added  that getting  too                                                               
specific potentially  raises the  issues of Blakely  with respect                                                               
to  what should  have been  tried to  a jury  before. Saying  any                                                               
previous assault wouldn't require  figuring out specifically what                                                               
those elements were in the assault  in the third degree - whether                                                               
it was a fear assault or actual physical injury assault.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if there  are ex post facto issues for                                                               
assaults committed before this law is implemented.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  said no;  the issue has  been litigated  often with                                                               
respect to the third DWI being  a felony or the third theft being                                                               
a  felony.  This   doesn't  create  a  new   offense;  it  simply                                                               
establishes that  from this point  forward someone who  commits a                                                               
third time assault is committing a felony assault.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:42:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SVOBODNY  noted that Sections  12, 13, and 14  are conforming                                                               
amendments to the assault in the fourth degree provisions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 3  addresses prior convictions.  It clarifies  in statute                                                               
that for the third theft to count  as a felony theft, the date of                                                               
the prior conviction is considered to  occur on the date that the                                                               
individual  starts receiving  the  benefit of  the sentence.  The                                                               
court of  appeals has  reviewed the  legislative history  in that                                                               
regard and believes that is what the legislature intended.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  pointed out that  frequently there's a  gap between                                                               
the date of a guilty plea  and the imposition of a sentence. It'd                                                               
be during  that time that  a person might  pick up a  third theft                                                               
charge,  but it  wouldn't be  a felony  under this  statute since                                                               
it's the day of sentencing that's the trigger.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  agreed. Continuing, he  said that Section 4  adds a                                                               
new provision to  the existing crime of resisting  arrest. Now it                                                               
can be  committed three ways: 1)  use of force, 2)  any degree of                                                               
criminal mischief, or  3) creating a substantial  risk of serious                                                               
physical injury.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI observed  that  a serial  assaulter who  is                                                               
finally  caught  couldn't be  punished  under  the provisions  in                                                               
Sections 1, 2, and 3.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  agreed; there'd  have to  be two  prior convictions                                                               
within the time period that the legislature set.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said the committee  will ponder that as it considers                                                               
the  bill. Returning  to  Section  4, he  asked  the genesis  for                                                               
adding disobeying a peace officer as a way of resisting arrest.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY explained  that what  sometime happens  when police                                                               
try  to  make an  arrest  is  that a  person  will  lie down  and                                                               
passively  resist.  That  escalates  the  danger  to  the  police                                                               
because they have  to pick the person up and  haul them away. The                                                               
Municipality  of Anchorage  and the  City and  Borough of  Juneau                                                               
both  have   passed  ordinances  identifying  that   behavior  as                                                               
resisting  arrest.  The Alaska  State  Troopers  asked that  this                                                               
section conform to the ordinances from those municipalities.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:47:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if the presumption is  that the order                                                               
from the police  officer is lawful. For example,  when people are                                                               
exercising  their First  Amendment right  by legally  protesting,                                                               
it's wrong for a police officer to tell them to disperse.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  said he  believes the  phrase "lawful  order" would                                                               
concern law  enforcement officers because  they don't want  to be                                                               
second-guessed  six  months later  as  to  whether a  person  was                                                               
resisting arrest.  A person must  intend to resist arrest  and in                                                               
so doing they disobey the police  officer's order so the issue of                                                               
the hypothetical demonstration wouldn't come  up. A person who is                                                               
exercising a free speech right and  doesn't obey an order to move                                                               
along isn't resisting arrest.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SVOBODNY  explained that  Section  5  adds Ambien  and  Soma                                                               
[carisprodol and  zolpidem] to the list  of controlled substances                                                               
so that under  the DUI statutes the police can  charge people for                                                               
driving under the influence of  these substances. Responding to a                                                               
question,  he  explained  that   these  are  sleeping  pills.  He                                                               
believes  that Lunestra  should  also  be added  to  the list  of                                                               
Schedule IV controlled substances.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:51:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  commented that  it  must  be difficult  to                                                               
prove these cases.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  agreed it is  a difficult problem.  Oftentimes it's                                                               
necessary for  a toxicologist  to explain whether  the drug  in a                                                               
person's system  is a therapeutic  amount. Alaska has  a contract                                                               
with the Washington  State crime lab to  provide expert testimony                                                               
in those sorts of cases. It's  not like alcohol where it's fairly                                                               
definitive at which  point a person's ability  is impaired. These                                                               
tests can't be run at the state crime lab, he said.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  he anticipates  taking blood  or                                                               
other samples to verify the drug use.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:54:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SVOBODNY   explained  that  police  officers   with  special                                                               
training  look for  things that  indicate impaired  driving. They                                                               
look harder  when the preliminary  breath test (PBT) gives  a .00                                                               
result yet  there was erratic  driving. They can take  blood only                                                               
after  establishing sufficient  probable  cause to  get a  search                                                               
warrant for blood.  It's not the same as giving  a breath test to                                                               
test for alcohol, he said.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY said Section 6  deals with the application of search                                                               
warrants.  He explained  that when  Internet  providers that  are                                                               
headquartered  outside Alaska  are  asked  to provide  subscriber                                                               
information, they want  a subpoena or some  type of documentation                                                               
before  providing   the  information.  In  dealing   with  sexual                                                               
offenses  against   children  by   online  enticement   or  child                                                               
pornography, the recent trend is for  the court to say it doesn't                                                               
have   jurisdiction  to   grant   a  search   warrant  for   that                                                               
information. Judges  are saying the  same thing for  white collar                                                               
crimes when the documents are  produced in Delaware, he said. The                                                               
practical issue  is that a  company will provide  those documents                                                               
and even  if they don't,  Alaska has the  opportunity to go  to a                                                               
Delaware court  with a search  warrant issued by an  Alaska court                                                               
and ask for full faith and credit.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SVBODNY explained  that several  years  ago the  legislature                                                               
expanded  the extraterritorial  ability  of the  courts to  grant                                                               
search warrants  on state ferries outside  state boundaries. Case                                                               
law was  clear, but if a  local jurisdiction didn't want  to help                                                               
then this  state would make  a decision about going  into another                                                               
state's court saying  that Alaska courts be given  full faith and                                                               
credit  and  that  an  order   allowing  the  search  warrant  be                                                               
executed. It's  a technical  issue but it's  one that  deals with                                                               
child pornography, child enticements,  and white collar crime, he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY said  Section 7  is  also a  search warrant  issue.                                                               
Currently  a  police  officer  can obtain  a  search  warrant  by                                                               
telephone  if  he  or  she  can  show  that:  1)  presenting  the                                                               
affidavit or testimony  in person would result in a  delay in the                                                               
execution of the  search warrant, and 2) that  the evidence would                                                               
be destroyed in the time it would  take the officer to get to the                                                               
court in  person. He said a  case recently came to  his attention                                                               
where the  police were 8  hours up  river at a  marijuana growing                                                               
operation. The  police used a  satellite phone to call  the court                                                               
and get  a search warrant.  "We lost  because we weren't  able to                                                               
show that within the 8 hours to  get down river to get the search                                                               
warrant that  the evidence wouldn't  be destroyed in  that period                                                               
of time," he said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked  if his use of the term  "lost" meant that the                                                               
evidence was suppressed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  replied that's correct,  and he believes  the court                                                               
followed the statute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI commented  he's in  favor of  providing law                                                               
enforcement with  all the tools  it needs,  but he also  wants to                                                               
protect   individuals'  rights.   This   essentially  gives   law                                                               
enforcement carte  blanche. He questioned  why it's  not possible                                                               
to call  a judge on the  telephone and give a  short presentation                                                               
about what  would be lost  and why. The  judge would then  make a                                                               
finding.  "We're  taking  away  citizens' rights  here  and  that                                                               
concerns me when we do that," he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  agreed that citizens' rights  shouldn't be limited,                                                               
but this isn't  asking for anything more than  modern methods for                                                               
transacting business.  The police  still have to  gather evidence                                                               
and  convince a  judge that  there is  probable cause  to believe                                                               
that  evidence  of  a  crime  or  fruits of  a  crime  are  at  a                                                               
particular  and specific  location. That  provision only  applies                                                               
for telephonic  search warrants. This just  changes the technique                                                               
of getting the information to the judge, he said.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:03:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FRENCH said  regardless of  whether it's  in person  or by                                                               
telephone or  facsimile, the evidence  has to convince  the judge                                                               
that there's probable  cause that a crime has  been committed and                                                               
that evidence is being hidden.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY  agreed;  the  only change  is  the  mechanics  for                                                               
getting the information in front of a judge.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH opined  that there will be instances  where a search                                                               
warrant won't  be issued because  the facts aren't  sufficient or                                                               
they  can't  be elucidated  further  through  questioning by  the                                                               
judge.  This may  be the  weakest form  of an  application for  a                                                               
search warrant, but it's a tool in the toolbox, he said.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if the  purpose for including Sections                                                               
1 and 2 is that there have been abuses historically.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY surmised that the  legislature took the conservative                                                               
approach. At  the time that  this was enacted most  states didn't                                                               
allow search  warrants by telephone  or facsimile. That  is still                                                               
true today. Most states require  written application for a search                                                               
warrant and many states, including  Alaska, allow live testimony.                                                               
In Alaska,  one court of  appeals judge has said  repeatedly that                                                               
it's better to have the  officer physically present. He said he'd                                                               
buy into  that if  the officer were  testifying, but  in applying                                                               
for  a search  warrant  the law  says the  officer  can submit  a                                                               
written affidavit.  "It seems that  you would have a  better feel                                                               
for the evidence if you actually  had the person on the phone and                                                               
could ask questions and get answers  and you could hear how their                                                               
voice is…," he said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  offered the view  that because of  the size                                                               
of the  state and the difficulty  of getting to a  court house or                                                               
magistrate's office,  it's appropriate  that Alaska  allow search                                                               
warrants by  phone. All this  says is  the delay might  result in                                                               
loss  or  destruction of  evidence  or  might interfere  with  an                                                               
investigation.  His  worry  centers on  an  individual's  privacy                                                               
rights.  Before a  police officer  enters a  home or  business he                                                               
wants  to  make  sure  that   officer  has  gone  through  Fourth                                                               
Amendment procedures. This seems to  be reasonably written and he                                                               
doesn't see the  difficulty in picking up the phone  and making a                                                               
case to  the judge. If the  officer can't provide proof,  then he                                                               
or  she probably  doesn't deserve  to  get a  search warrant,  he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  pointed out that  the officer would get  the search                                                               
warrant now  if he or  she personally appeared before  the judge.                                                               
Search rules  aren't being changed.  An officer who  walks across                                                               
the street and  writes out an affidavit doesn't have  to say that                                                               
it's likely that  the evidence will be destroyed in  order to get                                                               
the search  warrant. That  is only a  requirement if  the officer                                                               
applies for a  search warrant by calling the  judge or magistrate                                                               
on  the  telephone.  That  is  a  statutory  requirement,  not  a                                                               
constitutional requirement, he said.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:09:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH  said it's a  good policy debate and  there's likely                                                               
to  be more.  He asked  Mr.  Svobodny to  continue the  sectional                                                               
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  explained that Sections  8, 9,  10, 11, 19,  and 20                                                               
deal  with  the  circumstance  where  a  person  has  been  found                                                               
incompetent  to  stand  trial. He  cited  examples.  Under  these                                                               
provisions, before a person who  is incompetent to stand trial is                                                               
released back to the community  the district attorney is supposed                                                               
to be  given notice that the  release will occur within  10 days.                                                               
If a  person is found  incompetent to stand trial,  an evaluation                                                               
is to be done for a determination  of whether he or she should be                                                               
committed and treated at API. If  counsel proves that a person is                                                               
found  incompetent   to  stand  trial,  there   is  a  rebuttable                                                               
presumption that  he or she is  mentally ill and a  danger to him                                                               
or  herself  or   the  community.  That's  the   standard  for  a                                                               
determination  of whether  the  person should  or  should not  be                                                               
committed, he said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:12:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FRENCH  asked  what  the legal  difference  is  between  a                                                               
finding  of incompetent  to  stand  trial and  a  verdict of  not                                                               
guilty by  reason of  insanity. He  said it  seems that  with one                                                               
you're pushed  out of the system  at the start and  the other you                                                               
go through  the system and get  pushed out at the  end. Both seem                                                               
to have a similar mental state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  said if a person  is found guilty but  mentally ill                                                               
they're sent to API for evaluation  but if a person is not guilty                                                               
by reason of insanity they're sent home.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH observed that it's  about the same because they both                                                               
go home.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  said he believes  that present  law says that  if a                                                               
person is found not guilty by  reason of insanity there has to be                                                               
an evaluation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said he'd hold that issue for a future hearing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:14:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SVOBODNY  relayed  that Ms.  Carpeneti,  Department  of  Law                                                               
(DOL), has  worked with the  Office of Public Advocacy  (OPA) and                                                               
the  Public Defender  Agency (PDA)  to address  the concern  that                                                               
this is  too broad. They have  worked on a proposed  amendment to                                                               
limit  court involvement  to felony  offenses as  opposed to  all                                                               
offenses and  he believes  it's a  good approach.  The limitation                                                               
makes  sense for  minor  offenses such  as  trespassing, but  the                                                               
community  needs  protection from  people  who  have convinced  a                                                               
court they aren't competent to  stand trial yet they've committed                                                               
arson, murder or other serious crimes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SVOBODNY said  Section 11 clarifies that the court  can put a                                                               
person  who  has been  convicted  of  a violation  on  probation.                                                               
Currently there is  no provision for that. Section  18 allows the                                                               
court to  order a person  who is  convicted of violating  laws or                                                               
regulations under  Title 16  for unlawful taking  of game  to pay                                                               
restitution for the unlawful taking.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:17:51 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDREW PETERSON,  Assistant Attorney General,  Criminal Division,                                                               
Office of  Special Prosecutions &  Appeals (OSPA)  explained that                                                               
for hunting  and fishing violations  the troopers  generally like                                                               
to  see small  violation fines  and restitution  for the  animal,                                                               
which is often donated to  charity. Current law doesn't allow for                                                               
restitution for  the animal, but  the change in Section  18 would                                                               
allow that.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS, noting that the  restitution for unlawful taking                                                               
of  a moose  is $1,000,  questioned whether  that might  not keep                                                               
some  people  for  self  reporting  an  unintended  but  unlawful                                                               
taking.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PETERSON  said a  number  of  factors figure  into  charging                                                               
decisions. When it's an honest  mistake we like the discretion to                                                               
reduce  the fine  from a  misdemeanor  to a  small violation,  he                                                               
said. The  statute says  the court  may impose  restitution, it's                                                               
not mandatory.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:20:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked what a small  fine might be for  taking an                                                               
undersize moose.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON replied it'd probably  be $250. Some fines have gone                                                               
lower  and some  higher. Generally  on  a 49.5  inch moose  there                                                               
isn't a  fine, but if no  fine is imposed it  essentially becomes                                                               
legal.  Even though  it's forfeit  there's  no real  risk to  the                                                               
hunter and that becomes a slippery slope, he said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SVOBODNY  said Section 15  begins the  sentencing provisions.                                                               
It clarifies in statute that  "aggravated assaultive behavior" is                                                               
a felony offense.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 16  defines in statute  what the U.S. Supreme  Court said                                                               
in the Blakely  decision with respect to what has  to be tried to                                                               
a  jury.   This  says  that   repeated  sexual  assaults   as  an                                                               
aggravating factor is  not something that needs to be  tried to a                                                               
jury.  The  court  can  make   the  determination  if  there  are                                                               
convictions.  If  they  aren't  convictions  they'd  have  to  be                                                               
decided by a  jury. This conforms statutory language  to case law                                                               
language, he said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:23:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  THERRIAULT asked  if there's  been a  particular problem                                                               
with  the   prosecution  that  highlighted  the   need  for  this                                                               
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  replied there has  been that problem and  the court                                                               
of appeals has  given that definition. Putting  it into statutory                                                               
form makes it easier to reference, particularly in court.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section  17  provides statutory  authority  for  the governor  to                                                               
delegate  his  or her  extradition  responsibilities  to a  staff                                                               
member.  Alaska is  the only  state where  the governor  actually                                                               
signs   extradition   warrants.   This   establishes   that   the                                                               
appointment  must be  in writing  and filed  with the  lieutenant                                                               
governor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:26:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SVOBODNY  said  Section  21  repeals  AS  11.71.310  and  AS                                                               
12.20.010. Those  prohibit state  prosecutions for  violations of                                                               
state law if  the federal government has prosecuted  the same act                                                               
under a  federal violation. For  example, Alaska  currently could                                                               
not prosecute an oil company for  a criminal law violation if the                                                               
federal government  made a charge first.  That applies throughout                                                               
criminal law, he said.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked about double jeopardy.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  explained that the  state is a  separate sovereign.                                                               
As  long  as there  are  elements  of  the  crime and  there's  a                                                               
territorial connection, there is no double jeopardy issue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:30:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS said he certainly  believes that the state should                                                               
have  the  ability  to  recover  corrosion  damage  from  an  oil                                                               
company, but there was some  rationale for putting this provision                                                               
in statute  and for  it lasting  such a long  time. He'd  like to                                                               
know what the rationale might have been.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY suggested that it's  the visceral reaction to double                                                               
jeopardy.  Someone  shouldn't be  penalized  twice  for the  same                                                               
conduct even though the victims  may have substantially different                                                               
and competing  interests. For example,  in drug  prosecutions the                                                               
federal government, as a victim,  may be looking at forfeiture of                                                               
drug dealer  assets and the state,  as a victim, may  simply want                                                               
the dealer off the street.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked how this might impact the ordinary person.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY  explained  that  in the  last  several  years  the                                                               
federal government has cherry-picked,  leaving the more difficult                                                               
drug and child pornography cases to the state.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:33:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if passing  this provision puts Alaska                                                               
in line with other states.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY replied  he doesn't have that  information, but it's                                                               
a one-way  street with  respect to the  state versus  the federal                                                               
government. The federal government  has always maintained that if                                                               
the state charges  first it still has authority  to bring charges                                                               
later on.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH  highlighted  the  Rodney  King  trial.  The  state                                                               
prosecution failed and the federal  government followed up with a                                                               
prosecution.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:35:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI questioned the  repeal of AS 12.35.015(f) in                                                               
Section 21. He read the following:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
         (f) Absent a finding of bad faith, evidence                                                                            
     obtained under  a warrant issued under  this section is                                                                    
     not subject to a motion  to suppress on the ground that                                                                    
     the circumstances  did not  support its  issuance under                                                                    
     (a) of this section.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  explained that repealing subsection(f)  conforms to                                                               
the amendment  in Section 7 that  allows a court to  issue search                                                               
warrants by telephone and other  electronic means. Subsection (f)                                                               
won't be  needed any longer  if you're saying the  police officer                                                               
is going to get search warrants by telephone, he said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:38:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH suggested postponing  an in-depth discussion of that                                                               
point to a later time.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  said Section  22 changes  a court  rule to  allow a                                                               
judge  more discretion  in  timing  for the  return  of a  search                                                               
warrant.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH thanked  Mr. Svobodny and said he'd  be invited back                                                               
when the bill was heard next.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
JED WHITTAKER,  Anchorage resident testifying on  his own behalf,                                                               
said he wants to speak against  the amended language in Section 4                                                               
that adds  disobeying an order  of a police officer  to resisting                                                               
arrest. Referring  to the  saying that  the U.S.  Constitution is                                                               
only as good  as the corner policeman, he noted  over the last 20                                                               
years police have become militarized  and prison populations have                                                               
doubled. Police officers have changed  attitude and it borders on                                                               
paranoia  and  sometimes  belligerence,  he  said.  If  a  police                                                               
officer  tells   a  person  they're  under   arrest  it's  fairly                                                               
straightforward. But under  this new provision if  a person isn't                                                               
put  under  arrest and  the  police  issue  an order  that  isn't                                                               
followed, then  that person would  be resisting arrest.  "I don't                                                               
think that's good,"  he said. The second reason he  has a problem                                                               
with the language  is if a person is taking  picture of an arrest                                                               
and the  police want to seize  the camera, that person  is guilty                                                               
of  resisting  arrest. Citizens  have  an  obligation to  prevent                                                               
police brutality,  which means they  must be able to  observe and                                                               
take pictures of the police whether  the police want that or not.                                                               
The final  reason he  doesn't support the  change is  because the                                                               
cost of incarceration  is astronomical. "How many  people need to                                                               
go to prison so that everybody feels safe?" he asked.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
RON  ADLER,  CEO/Director,  Alaska Psychiatric  Institute  (API),                                                               
said  although  the  Department of  Health  and  Social  Services                                                               
(DHSS) supports  the intent of  this legislation, he  would point                                                               
out that the sections relative  to sending to API individuals who                                                               
are incompetent to stand trial  and presumably mentally ill could                                                               
cause capacity issues  at the hospital in the  future. The number                                                               
of people that could  be sent to API as a result  of this bill is                                                               
undetermined and the  forensic unit at the  hospital is typically                                                               
at  capacity  with   a  waiting  list.  "This   could  result  in                                                               
additional  planning for  changes in  the facility  or additional                                                               
facilities in the state," he said.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  asked what the  forensic unit is and  what capacity                                                               
it has.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ADLER explained that it's  a medium-security 10-bed unit. Two                                                               
beds are  permanently occupied by (NGRIs).  Those are individuals                                                               
who have  been found not guilty  by reason of insanity.  A lot of                                                               
restoration-to-competency and  culpability exams are  done within                                                               
the unit  because the  only licensed  forensic specialist  in the                                                               
state works there.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:46:18 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE  WEST, District  Attorney,  Ketchikan,  said his  testimony                                                               
relates  to Sections  8,  9, and  10 and  persons  who are  found                                                               
incompetent to  stand trial. He  explained that this  issue arose                                                               
in Ketchikan in  2003 and 2004 when a man  committed five arsons.                                                               
In 2004 he  was charged with the arsons and  admitted to starting                                                               
all  the fires.  He  was  found incompetent  to  stand trial.  As                                                               
district  attorney  he asked  API  to  commit the  arsonist.  API                                                               
interviewed the man  and did not commit him because  the man told                                                               
the interviewers  that he wouldn't  start any more fires.  He was                                                               
released and  within six months  he was  charged with arson  in a                                                               
nearby  community.  According to  his  record  he's been  setting                                                               
fires since he was  a teenager and he has no  doubt that he'll do                                                               
it  again. It's  interesting that  he wouldn't  have an  insanity                                                               
defense, but  he isn't competent to  understand court proceedings                                                               
so  he isn't  competent to  stand trial.  This bill  will correct                                                               
that type of problem, he said.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH announced  he would  hold SB  234 for  a subsequent                                                               
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

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